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January 26, 2014 / JayMan

HBD Chick Lays it Down on HBD

Go check out this fantastic post by HBD Chick on HBD and the motivations behind believers and detractors:

you and me and hbd | hbd* chick

continuing on from the other day, jamie bartlett and timothy stanley are flat-out wrong that human biodiversity (hbd) is “neo-fascist” “bad science.” human biodiversity is simply the diversity found among and between human populations that has a biological basis. that’s all. yes, that most likely includes some degree of biological variation affecting the measurable difference in intelligence between individuals and various populations, but it’s early days yet on that front, and we barely know what exactly that biological variation entails. i’m sure the chinese will let us know all about it soon enough.

now, i am the LAST person who should criticize anybody for obsessing about any one thing (see: most of this blog), but i’m going to anyway. if you accept that humans exhibit biologically based diversity, then you’d better be prepared to accept ALL of it. here’s the problem: too many of the people who obsess over the racial differences in iq DON’T want to accept — or often even think about! — OTHER facts, or possible facts, related to hbd. especially about their own kind.

the obsession about racial differences in iq in some circles of the hbd-o-sphere is all about confirmation bias, of course, which all humans are prone to (yes, even me!) — although some more than others in my experience. people see what they want to see and disregard the rest. i’m going to quote that pessimistic pothead john derbyshire on this, ’cause the dude is like toootally awesome on these sorts of things

I say can’t we just stick to seeking out the truth, whatever that is, like I do? But, I know that that’s asking too much, since very, very few people are wired that way. The truth has social consequences, as people are wired to (not without good reason) to contemplate those consequences. Unfortunately, since we’re talking about humans, the facts often take a backseat to these real or imagined consequences, and, here we are.

So all we can do is just keep pushing on through, keep researching what we research, and speak the facts as we find them. In the end, to repeat something I said before – and this goes for people within this sphere as it does for those without – the wisdom of the “Serenity Prayer” is worth keeping in mind. There are reasons why this is easier said than done for many people, reason I will explore in an upcoming post.

I wish I had time to give this topic a more thorough treatment, but I did have to stop to acknowledge HBD chick’s superb post, a post which I think is key reading on this matter.

See also:

Is and Ought | West Hunter

It Must Be Said | West Hunter

Leaving science on the table – The Unz Review

Serenity

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  1. panjoomby / Jan 27 2014 3:17 PM

    sadly, the fields that would benefit the most from understanding such things (viz., education & psychology) are the fields least likely to bring themselves anywhere near acknowledging such things. might be fun to rank order different fields by their degree of “elephant in the closet denier”-ism 🙂 breathe deeply. serenity prayer. breathe. much better – thanks!

    • m / Feb 4 2014 5:11 PM

      Education is run by the government. Do you expect pols to recognize the reality of HBD? Until scientists go rogue on this (ie, speak truth to power), nothing will change in this field.

    • Aum / Feb 5 2014 12:49 AM

      Panjoomby,

      How do you see that HBD could be practically applied in education and psychology? Through what mechanisms and how does it look in your mind’s eye?

  2. TangoMan / Jan 28 2014 3:04 AM

    The aspect of her comment that I found most intriguing had to do with the obsession on the topic by commenters. I noted at her blog that some of this obsession likely stems from speaking truth to power – people like doing that, so nuance here doesn’t really come into play or it’s of secondary importance.

    Another thought occurs to me – obsession hints at some unhealthy imbalance but if you substitute specialization in place of obsession, then you invoke connotations of expertise. An oncologist isn’t obsessed with treating cancer he’s merely specialized in that field of study, but if we focus on how one arrives at the specialist state then one most likely is obsessed with the study of the topic to the exclusion of a balanced grabbag of subjects.

    From this perspective is there actually anything wrong with being obsessed with the question, anymore than being obsessed with sports scores and sports trivia and expertise in a field? I’d be wary of ceding to opponents the power to define and characterization the nature of people’s interests in this topic. If we subscribe to being obsessed then we somewhat acknowledge that there is something unhealthy or unbalanced about our interest.

    If there isn’t a problem with this specialization then what is the problem associated with obsession? I’d say the problem is incomplete, or unnuanced understanding which leads to what she identified, confirmation bias. Using the information to confirm your own bias and likely twisting the info to do so.

    As one of my old co-bloggers noted years ago – sometimes your allies do you more damage than your enemies, but what can you do?

    • Staffan / Jan 29 2014 7:43 PM

      The implication is that obsession means out of proportion, a distorted worldview. But both cancer and intelligence have extremely important outcomes. And yet no headlines for intelligence; no one talks about how many people die because of lack of intelligence. The conscription study in Sweden clearly showed that low IQ people tend to be involved in accidents like poisoning themselves by mistake. It seems that somehow they are less dead than those who died from cancer.

  3. Anonymous / Jan 29 2014 10:41 PM

    has jayman explained or addressed a point sowell raised, the great success of caribbean blacks relative to african americans. that caribbean immigrants are self-selected doesn’t explain the difference. jamaican, bajan, and bahamian blacks are outstanding in comparison to their racial counterparts in the us. super outstanding.

    why?

    • JayMan / Jan 29 2014 10:49 PM

      @Anonymous:

      Why doesn’t immigrant selection work?

      The average IQ of the Black Caribbean nations has been covered over at Human Varieties.

    • Aum / Feb 5 2014 1:27 PM

      I wish we had more immigrants like this to bring some culture to our otherwise crass and unaesthetic society here in the States;

    • Aum / Feb 5 2014 10:24 PM

      “Why doesn’t immigrant selection work?”

      It does.

  4. Aum / Feb 5 2014 12:52 AM

    “human biodiversity is simply the diversity found among and between human populations that has a biological basis. ”

    So my theory that BDSM and other extreme sexual perversions are biologically embedded in the Anglo stock is possibly correct?

    Have you noticed that these sexual fetishes are becoming mainstream trends in all the Anglo predominated regions of the world?

    • anonymous / Feb 8 2014 9:41 PM

      I’m going to choose my words carefully here. But I can’t keep myself from blurting this out.

      Anyone who thinks that Anglophone culture is uniquely sexually bizarre has never been to, or possibly even heard of, Germany or Japan. I could post links to examples to prove my point, but, well, that would be spamming you with porn links.

  5. panjoomby / Feb 5 2014 9:14 AM

    @AUM: i think just by admitting HBD (& that it’s just a basic & logical aspect of human evolution!) that some mildly practical results might follow – such as to stop wasting resources on closing (gasp) “gaps” & stop trying to bend over backwards to create programs to close “gaps” etc. I don’t think there are necessarily practical aspects other than admitting reality — & stop trying to focus so much effort on things that don’t work. education, like religion, is full of well meaning magical thinkers who listen to emotional sweet-talkers rather than having an engineers realistic eye-view of the world!

    • Aum / Feb 5 2014 2:54 PM

      At least here in the States, home schooling has been on a consistent, steady rise the last 20 years. I don’t see it going anywhere but up. As more people take to home schooling their kids, less resources will be spent on closing gaps in public schools.

      The best way to “close gaps” in public schools is by closing our legs. If you know what I mean.

  6. Luke Lea / Feb 5 2014 4:30 PM

    I’m with Jayman on this one: just give us the facts, let the chips fall where they may. People are way to quick to draw conclusions about the implications anyway — they have a lot of unexamined assumptions shaping their fears (and hopes). Truth ( realism) has got to be a good thing it you want to be morally responsible in this world — that is an axiom with me, an article of faith if you will.

    And congratulations on that baby boy!

  7. MaxxWiskers / Aug 1 2014 6:47 PM

    Most people are well aware of the many obvious different stereotypes they encounter. But political correctness prevent any honest questions to be asked let alone to state the obvious. At times political correctness can help keep the peace.

    It seems a universal requirement is hypocrisy. Most religions primary first requirement is hypocrisy. So this has been a requirement in many societies for along time. North Korean life today has a high hypocrisy requirement, its obvious because it is quite different from the rest of the world. Does IQ measure how good at hypocrisy people are?

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